My favorite part of this clip is when the survey is discussed and the results showcase one telling difference between religious and non-religious people in regards to sex. I won’t give it away. But I doubt you’ll be surprised.
Thoughts?
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Yea, Darrel Ray wouldn’t sell us any bias.
From Wikipedia
In May 2011, Ray and Amanda Brown (an undergraduate at University of Kansas studying sex and sexuality) released the results of a self-reporting online survey[7] of over 14,500 American secularists, titled “Sex and Secularism: What Happens When You Leave Religion?”, concluding that sex improves dramatically after leaving religion, and people who are religious exhibit similar sexual behaviors as the non-religious, but experience markedly increased guilt.[8] The study has been criticized for suffering from self-selection bias,[9] due to its recruiting of participants via the science blog Pharyngula.[10]
You’ll note that Dawkins didn’t interview any of the men at the conference to see how their lives were being effected since attending the conference/making these decisions.
As soon as the “Every Man’s Battle” people release a double-blind study comparing a huge number of people before and after they’ve gone through a program that has NOT been conducted by the likes of Liberty University (maybe Barna?), then we can talk comparing study to study.
Up until then, the conference is only highlighted that “it exists” and the study is highlighted as “it exists.” Its entirely possible (though from personal experience with the lit and the religion I doubt it) that Christianity, in general, does a bad job of preventing this behavior but this program does a good job.
This study was never published in a peer review journal. It’s not a scientific study. It’s an online survey. Though the results are interesting and probably accurate, it’s methods are questionable. There is a significant recruitment bias based on where the survey was published and who the subjects were. The subjects were individuals who had grown up in religious homes and later left the church. It’s possible that they left the church because of their guilt, and therefore would be more likely to report more guilt.
Just so we’re clear, I consider myself an agonistic panantheist. I’m definitely not a Liberty student. Lol. But I am doing medical research right now, so I have to assess the quality of research articles all the time. It’s an interesting survey, but it’s not strong evidence.
What’s masturbation?! Kidding, kidding. I think it’s safe to assume that the assumption that Christians are lying about their sex life is probably more accurate than not. I also think that the lack of sound sex education in Christian circles (churches, schools, etc.) makes it virtually impossible for any healthy discussion. Just my thought.
I’m sorry…what’s there to discuss? There’s nothing to discuss.Honest.
–Leslie
Senator Brett, I think you are absolutely right. And Leslie, maybe I am misunderstanding you (and I apologize if I am), but do you think that we shouldn’t discuss sexuality in religious communities at all?
I think shutting down conversations about sexuality only leads to confusion and more shame. Me and my (mostly evangelical) friends throughout high school and college were always taught that sex is amazing and wonderful and nothing to be ashamed of…as long as you are married. But before that, you aren’t to talk about it or think about it because that is just sinful lust. The result was that when my friends started getting married, they were actually *terrified* of having sex with their partners because they had never been able to discuss it concretely, and felt shame about that!
This is slightly off-topic from masturbation I suppose, but I think the fundamental problem is the same. Refusing to teach young people about their biological urges, which is much different than ACTING on those urges, creates a cycle of isolation and shame that can lead to increased behaviors that are hidden and full of guilt.
Hi Erica. I apologize for the misunderstanding. I’m a Yankee ex-pat in the Deep South and I have not yet learn to listen to women discussing “down there” and “intimate times” and (my personal favorite) “Ladies’ Days” with a straight face. I have come to love my corner of the South, but there is an intense and disturbing denial regarding matters of sexuality–even “ladies’ days.” It mystifies me that gender roles are so, so much more clearly defined down here, and yet, we admit to no sexuality at all. No, Erica, I am a huge proponent of addressing sexuality in a religious setting, hell, in any vaguely appropriate setting–I taught too many pregnant 14 year olds. I apologize for being unclear.Regards, Leslie
Totally off the topic, but my husband has been quoted as saying “That dude’s married to Lalla Ward and he STILL doesn’t believe in God?”
Not saying that getting to marry one of the Doctor’s dishiest companions is proof of devine influence–it’s just something I think about whenever I hear Dawkins’ name mentioned now.